Abortions for everyone!
May 29, 2009 at 10:39 p.m. by Luke Graybill
I have heard this term one too many times: pro-abortion; religious people who are Republicans are usually the ones parroting this term the most lately, and I am too fed up with hearing it (and being accused of it) to ignore it any more, so allow me to clear the air a bit here.
As Obama stated during one of the televised debates with McCain, nobody is pro-abortion:
I think that's where we can find some common ground, because nobody's pro-abortion. [emphasis added] I think it's always a tragic situation. We should try to reduce these circumstances.
The term pro-abortion is simply invented for political polarization and is an unfair mischaracterization of the pro-choice stance. To be pro-choice means to support the right of parents to make the decision to have an abortion. Being pro-choice does not in any way imply that anyone anywhere prefers or condones abortions; I've never met anyone who wouldn't agree that abortion should be avoided at all costs. In actuality, nearly everyone is anti-abortion; but many people also feel that the parents should have the final decision in the matter.
Republicans have decided to focus part of their platform on being an anti-abortion party, and are in favor of overturning Roe v Wade in order to allow legislation outlawing abortion:
The Republican Party platform this year will reassert the party’s opposition to abortion. And again it will not allow for exceptions in the cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother..
For being the party that claims it is against "big government", it seems inconsistent that the GOP wants to prevent parents from making their decisions without interference from the government.
The GOP also claims that it opposes abortion because it violates the "sanctity of innocent human life"source. Apparently human life is a much less important concern when it is lost in a war or through the death penalty, two situations that the GOP wholeheartedly supports.
I am sick and tired of hearing these oily people misrepresent the pro-choice crowd as people who encourage and desire to abort babies, when nothing could be further from the truth. Everyone wants to reduce the number of abortions; nobody wants to "harvest babies" for stem cells; nobody wants to stop using contraceptives because they can just have an abortion.
Whenever you hear someone call another person pro-abortion or accuse them of being baby-killers, please be aware that they are distorting the facts because they don't know how to be honest debaters.
Comments
Comment from Godspeedstill, May 30, 2009 at 1:40 p.m.
Comment from Godspeedstill, May 30, 2009 at 1:40 p.m.
Well, this is a difficult subject to cover because no matter how much you say, it never seems to be enough. There are a lot of angles and almost any article or debate is just putting it too simply. The problem with abortion is that many people jump aboard the 'no one likes it, but that's life' train (ok, bad choice of words). True, most people don't like it but we do become jaded to it because it's just going to happen anyway. Like everything that ultra-conservatives seem to touch, their semantics turn everyone away, True, we need to do more to help mothers and that usually falls to the democrats. But all politicians pander here and there and they are only human after all. Personally, I'm fond of the Democrats for Life, over most others. They are for life in all aspects. While I still see the argument that there is a huge difference between a baby who hasn't made any choices and a criminal who may continue to take life, technically, I'd say that Jesus would agree that none should killed. The biggest problem with abortion that I see- the problem of pain. No one knows and probably ever will know if and how much they feel! They try to say they don't feel, but alas, it always has key words like 'probably'. I always use 'pro-choice' literature to even show that the doubt is there. And that is all that is really needed, not all the 'pro-life' stuff that will be labeled as propaganda anyway. There is enough doubt out there that it should make us all stop and think and worry. But you can't make abortion totally illegal for many reasons, even though Roe v Wade is paltry at best. If you do, for one, there will be illegal abortions and even though people say -'So, what? THAT is their choice." how can we really say that and feel that when there is pain being inflicted on still, the growing child, and also the mother? It is no way to be or to follow. Something should be done to eradicate the doubt of pain and still not harm the mother. There are bills that address it, but ( I need to check again) the last time I saw them, they were filled with rhetoric, semantics, all that mess. We need to use language that isn't pushing everyone's buttons all the time.
Comment from Luke Graybill, May 30, 2009 at 2:26 p.m.
Comment from Luke Graybill, May 30, 2009 at 2:26 p.m.
I agree that any pain felt by the mother and the fetus during an abortion is unfortunate. As a society, we generally try to avoid causing pain even to animals while performing medical procedures. This is the same reason why most states (except for Texas, I believe) don't use the more barbaric methods of execution, and instead use lethal injection.
I am not familiar with the medical steps taken during an abortion, but I imagine that anaesthetics of a similar sort used during other surgeries are used on both the mother and the fetus. In all situations when anaesthesia is used, one can never be 100% certain that the patient is not feeling any pain. I suspect that the statement that a fetus "probably" doesn't feel pain is related to this idea that when anaesthesia is used, you can't categorically say that the unconscious entity is feeling no pain whatsoever.
Those considerations are hardly reason not to perform surgery; and are not reason to outlaw (or even to be concerned about the morality of) abortion. Who doubts the morality of the entire practice of dentistry when the anaesthesia for one procedure was insufficient to prevent all sensations of pain? Why should we look any differently upon any other medical procedure? The effectiveness of anaesthesia is a separate medical concern, one that I am not qualified to discuss in detail.
Comment from Godspeed, May 30, 2009 at 4:32 p.m.
Comment from Godspeed, May 30, 2009 at 4:32 p.m.
Actually, the way I understand it, anesthesia isn't used on the fetus; it is used on the mother for the abortion opertion, that is what should really change, but on all sides most are unwilling for it to happen. On one side, it is not wanted because it will make it seem like a verification that the fetus is indeed a baby. (Which no one seems to know when this magically happens...another thing to ponder.) Also, there is concern about the mother while administering medication the fetus that may not be needed and such. On the other side, they are not willing for this to happen because it looks like it is allowing for a type of euthanasia murder. But regardless, humane treatment of all life, no matter what stage it is in, should be considered, but it is difficult at this point to bring about. I just saw that there is a current bill about it, but I haven't read it to see how one sided it is. Truly, as you say, we can never know for sure if even anesthesia is working, but that's not really the issue because at least it is trying to be humane and most likely succeeding.
Comment from Godspeed, May 30, 2009 at 4:48 p.m.
Comment from Godspeed, May 30, 2009 at 4:48 p.m.
Actually, while pondering, you have to wonder if lethal injection is really more humane. It seems like it might be in theory, but in a way, you may die quicker and less painfully if being beheaded or put in front of a firing squad. It brings to mind things like water torture and water boarding. It seems so absurd that it could be tortuous, but obviously there are ways to make it so, but even so, the extreme measures aren't even always needed for it to become tortuous to lots of people. Kind of strange; psychological perhaps.
Comment from Alex, May 30, 2009 at 11:42 p.m.
Comment from Alex, May 30, 2009 at 11:42 p.m.
From a Medical stance an abortion is preform as an out patient procedure Narcotic pain killers are given to the mother 48 hours prior to the abortion, at the medical office Local anesthetics are administered, when the anesthetics have taken effect and the cervix and uterus can be reached without causing painful cramping the abortion is performed.
After the procedure Narcotic pain killers will be given as a prescription to be taken for the next 48-72 to alleviate any cramping or pain in the cervical and vaginal area.
It is my understanding that an unconscious entity can not feel pain, the entity of the fetus its whole other debate on its self.
Comment from Herb, June 11, 2009 at 9:45 a.m.
Comment from Herb, June 11, 2009 at 9:45 a.m.
I do not care what political position one holds on either side of the debate. I think the person that performs the abortion and the one that decides to have an abortion and the individual that supports that "tragic situation" could NOT be characterized as against abortion. Yes there are circumstances that make the decision more complex, the people commenting here are already aware of this. If we "the enlightened ones" are to be doing our best for anyone who follows our lead then we must attempt to provide access to the facts that are out there on this life changing decision we call "pro choice" (it has a better ring to it than the previous identification...pro abortion) Hmm..wonder why the new name? There are plenty of info/facts available as the readers well know. What say we make some of this info (on both sides of the argument) available by only a click will do it? I suspect what I have said here will be viewed with scorn, but that is ok. This site is one to provide ample info/discussion no matter how or what one says as long as mutual respect is maintained. Let us now get into some of the medical steps taken by the abortionist by allowing the readers to have access to a link for that purpose...
http://www.abort73.com/index.php?/abortion/abortion_techniques
There are many this is only one of them. Ladies make an informed decision. Please find out for yourself. Don't take my word or anyone else or the Feds or some judge or some pastor. This is something that will be with you the rest of your life. Maybe talking to someone who has had an abortion would be the best resourse.
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